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The lamest way to try to win an argument

"Well, I just always use whatever is best for the situation." or "I'm more pragmatic than that" or "you're just a zealot"

Lame.  And useless.  All those statements are is an admission that you're tired of arguing and you refuse to change your mind.  Arguments, assuming that they stay cordial of course, are valuable.  We're a young profession that's still finding its way.  Any idea that we have about the best way to write software should be challenged (see Roy on TypeMock, DI, and testability today because TypeMock is a subject that I've had to reevaluate *my* opinion on).  What is the best thing for that situation?  Don't you think that maybe the other guy with the differing opinion thinks that *his* approach is pragmatic?  Why does he think his approach *is* good?  "A" is what you know, but is "B" potentially a better way for that situation?  And if you're really right, shouldn't it be relatively easy to defend your position?  You'll never know any of this stuff if you just shut down and disengage.  Even if you still end up believing that the way you do it now is better, at least you've been forced to reconsider that way.


 



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Derik Whittaker said:

So,  what is the story behind this little rant?

# January 18, 2008 7:58 PM

Jeremy D. Miller said:

@Derik

Innumerable times, but it's just a conversation I had today.  After I wrote this I did see yet another post from somebody thumping on their chests saying how pragmatic they are but other people aren't, but zero specifics about anything.

# January 18, 2008 8:36 PM

Colin Jack said:

Yeah its a good point, engagement is where its at.

# January 19, 2008 2:56 PM

The Other Steve said:

If you've ever tried to have an argument with a zealot, especially one who is unwilling to acknowledge facts, and/or just makes stuff up on the fly.

You'd be tired of arguing too.

I think the lamest way to try to win an argument is in claiming someone is tired of arguing with you.  :-)

# January 19, 2008 4:41 PM

Helen said:

Yeah, it's lame to say that with anyone who's discussing something with you in a fair way but I'm happy to escape from an argument with people who use dirty tricks like redefining the scope of what's been discussed so they can "win".

# January 20, 2008 6:34 AM

Kent Boogaart said:

I concur, but you do have to strike a balance between productive arguments and getting a job done.

# January 21, 2008 8:35 AM

John D said:

I think the problem is that all these comments also assert superiority - "My solution IS better than yours" and you've just been taken down to playground talk.

There need to be polite ways to abandon an argument with both sides holding their original opinion. "I've got work to do and we'll have to talk about this again." or occasional acceptance for "It's a limited area, there were time pressures and its not the best possible solution." without making each other feel bad.

# January 21, 2008 6:10 PM

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Jeremy began his IT career writing "Shadow IT" applications to automate his engineering documentation, then wandered into software development because it looked like more fun. Jeremy previously worked as a systems architect building mission critical supply chain software for a Fortune 100 company and learned agile development practices as a .Net consultant at ThoughtWorks, one of the pioneers of agile development. Jeremy is the author of the open source StructureMap (http://structuremap.sourceforge.net) tool for Dependency Injection with .Net and the forthcoming StoryTeller (http://storyteller.tigris.org) tool for supercharged FIT testing in .Net. Jeremy's thoughts on just about everything software related can be found on his weblog "The Shade Tree Developer" at http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller, part of the popular CodeBetter site. Jeremy is a Microsoft MVP for C#. Check out Devlicio.us!

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